Q & A: Are the Democrats starting impeachment or not?
WASHINGTON (AP) — The messages coming from House Democrats on impeachment in recent weeks are decidedly confusing.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said Democrats need to wait for court decisions before they decide whether to approve articles of impeachment. At the same time, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, New York Rep. Jerrold Nadler, said Thursday that what his committee is doing now amounts to “formal impeachment proceedings” — and that Democrats will make a final decision by the end of the year.
So are Democrats starting impeachment, or not? And will President Donald Trump ultimately be removed from office?
Sort of. And almost certainly not.
Questions and answers about the impeachment debate:
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT’S THE STATUS OF IMPEACHMENT?
Talk of impeachment has escalated in recent months after Trump began fighting subpoenas from Congress. Democrats had originally said they wanted to start by investigating Trump and doing their own review of former special counsel Robert Mueller’s report. But that has proved to be impossible, because people Mueller interviewed have on Trump’s orders defied subpoenas.
The House Judiciary Committee this week filed a lawsuit in federal court to force the testimony of one of the Mueller report’s key witnesses, former White House Counsel Donald McGahn. And last month the panel filed a petition to obtain secret grand jury testimony underlying the Mueller report. Both lawsuits made the argument the committee needs to hear from witnesses and know more about Mueller’s findings to decide whether to recommend impeachment to the full House.
WHAT DOES PELOSI SAY?
Pelosi’s tone has shifted somewhat in recent months. Mindful of moderates in her caucus who will need to win re-election next year, Pelosi said in March that Trump was “just not worth it” and “I’m not for impeachment.” Since then, Mueller has released his report detailing Trump’s attempts to influence his investigation and said he could not exonerate him. Pelosi now says she wants to see the outcome of the court cases and get more information from the Trump administration.
“If we have a case for impeachment that’s the place we will have to go,” she said in July, while making it clear she doesn’t believe the House has yet made that case.
WHAT DOES NADLER SAY?
Nadler, who represents ultraliberal New York City, has become more outspoken on the need for impeachment in recent weeks. At the end of July, he said he believes Trump “richly deserves” it. Those comments reflect the sentiments of most Judiciary Committee Democrats, who have been ahead of the rest of their caucus in pushing for impeachment.
Recently, Nadler and other Democrats on the committee have laid out a new strategy: saying that impeachment proceedings have already started, with or without a formal vote to begin them.
“This is formal impeachment proceedings,” Nadler said Thursday evening on CNN, adding that he hoped by the end of the year that the panel would decide whether to vote to recommend articles.
SO WHAT IS THE DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THEM?
Pelosi has an entire caucus to consider, and many of the more moderate members want to stay far away from impeachment proceedings. The Democrats who sit on the Judiciary Committee — including some of the most liberal members of the House — have been ready to start the process for quite some time and have put pressure on the speaker.
Still, lawmakers close to the matter say the two sides are essentially saying the same thing — that they are doing the work of impeachment and a final decision will be made later in the year.
“I think we’re unified on this question,” said Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., a member of the committee.
HOW DOES THE COURT CASE FACTOR IN?
The idea that the committee is already conducting impeachment also is helpful to the Democratic lawsuit. Courts could give greater weight to the committee’s requests if lawmakers make a plausible case that the information is needed to exercise their Constitutional duty of impeachment.
DOES THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS SUPPORT STARTING IMPEACHMENT?
About half of them do. According to an Associated Press tally, 119 House Democrats support calls for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry — one more than half of the caucus. Not all of them would support an impeachment vote at this point.
Those calls appear mostly symbolic, for now, as Nadler has declared the committee already is doing the work of impeachment.
SO COULD TRUMP REALLY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE?
Extremely unlikely. Even if the full House were to approve charges against the president, it’s up to the Republican Senate to hold an impeachment trial.
A two-thirds vote in the Senate would be required to convict and remove Trump from office. That’s an outcome Democrats acknowledge is improbable.
WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS?
Many Democrats are torn. They know impeachment could be politically treacherous and cost them some support from independent voters in the 2020 election. But they also believe Trump has committed the “high crimes and misdemeanors” the Constitution lays out and don’t want to set a precedent for inaction.